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 04/27/2001 10:48 PM
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Kim11644

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pbaseballfan, It sounds like your surgery is very similar to what I had (TTT). Although, I don't think they cracked my tibia. They did use a 3" screw and did reposition my patellar tendon with a bone graft. I also had the lateral release. When did you have your surgery? How is your outcome? -Kim
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 04/28/2001 03:46 PM
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judy10632

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Dude! or dude-ette! Ya, massage will fix a major structural defect or seriously injured knee. How 'bout magnets and aromatherapy? Geez, if only it was so easy. Sign me up!
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 05/01/2001 03:53 AM
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Jean11195

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Hi Liz - I saw my surgeon yesterday, 6 week check up. My knee is a bit swollen from overdoing things but otherwise it is looking good. I have to take anti-inflamatories and keep using plenty of ice to sort it out. My brace is off, thank goodness - straight in the dustbin. When I mentioned your case to my surgeon, David Johnson, he asked where you live and the name of your surgeon. I did not know the answer. So, what is his name and where does he practice? See, someone is interesred in you! David Johnson also deals with sports injuries and has appeared in the press when Matthew Cappotelli, who plays football for Western Michigan University, came to him in Bristol when an operation in the US failed to cure his problem. I do not see my surgeon weekly, three weekly, then as things progress 6 weekly etc etc. This has been ongoing for 18 months to get both legs sorted. It is the physiotherapist I see weekly. Do you go to the gym daily? Are your quads improving? I had problems with my ham string in the first leg but once I had a depomedrone & marcain injection it got better within a few weeks. How about straightening your leg from a sitting position, can you do it now? What exercises are you doing? I find I am very aware of children and dogs thinking they might run into me but I am sure that will go as we both gain confidence. You say that you have a numb patch, as does Joshua. I had quite a large "dead" patch on the outside of the first leg but that has now come back to life. I now have the same condition on the second so I am confident this too will recover. I would like to hear how you are getting on. Jean
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 05/03/2001 12:08 PM
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judy10632

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Alaska Kim T, do you have your surgery scheduled yet?
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 05/16/2001 02:48 PM
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kim10338

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Gosh, I haven't been able to get to this site for a while the computer siad the page had an error. Nice to be back, hello everyone. Yep, I'm scheduled for May 29th but I have an appointment on the 23rd to discuss the procedure and plan. My Dr. wants to do an O.A.T.s procedure ( it's a cartilage transfer from uninjured parts to worn areas ) I'm considering it but if we don't fix the cause........... I don't know; I'll know more next week. Sring has finally come to Alaska. Last week we had snow fall 5 out of 7 days but this week it's sunny and in the 60's. Great bike riding weather-for the kids!
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 05/21/2001 02:37 PM
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judy10632

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Kim, hope your surgery, OATS or otherwise is a huge success. Should be a bit of relief to not need TTT surgery as expected. Always best to avoid major surgery, if you can. Today, my doctor said my knee problems are arthritis and grade four chondromalacia. He considered cartilage restoration too. However, he said in my case, success rate for cartilage restoration would not be good. Doesn't want to put me through unnecessary surgery. Will try synvisc. When my knees get to the point of not being able to walk at all, will consider surgery, probably TKR. Good news, according to doctor my post-TTT alignment is not too bad.
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 05/23/2001 11:16 PM
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kim10338

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Hey everyone well, 'got back from the Dr. and it sounds like I get both a knee realignmemt and an osteochondral transfer. OUCH think of me next Tuesday, if you coould. Sounds like I'll be laid-up for a while. Kind-a scary! see-ya Kim
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 05/24/2001 12:10 PM
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judy10632

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Kim, best of luck on Tuesday! As you know from reading the other's knee surgery stories, the first few days are a bit rough. But that's what painkillers are for. Should also help being in nursing and that you have done your research. When able, send an update of your progress.
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 05/24/2001 09:41 PM
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Cari1647

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Kim, Best of luck !!! Just rest ice and elevate and let others take care of you!!! Take the pain meds thjey help!! Cari
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 05/30/2001 04:45 PM
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Catherine12397

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WOW... I'm so sorry so many of us suffer from the same structural misalignments! I too am considering a TTT for both knees. The Stedman clinic in Denver is excellent for those who are in Colorado. after reading your stories, I will stick to taping my knees for patellar support (I've not seen anyone mention this simple technique here), and cycling as much as possible for as long as I can. I have minimal pain (except in the night or if I step on uneven surfaces, or attempt walking down a hill, or...... ;-) ok there's pain. Does anyone have a really good method for building the VMO quad? I can't break the mental block against building that darn muscle. I do pilates, have a personal trainer, cycle 40 miles a week, etc. but can't get it to fire enough to build it up. A muscle stimulator with leg lifts seem to be the best.
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 06/06/2001 01:28 PM
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JOAN12539

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cari, I have been researching this surgery since my visit with my doctor who has recommended I have it done. Can you please tell me how you are feeling now? My doctor explained the surgery to me and didn't sugar coat it either so I am so afraid. Fill me in PLEASE!!!!!
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 06/06/2001 09:01 PM
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Cari1647

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Joan, I will tell you whatever you need I am a bit over 18 months post-op and my knee feels great still. It felt good almost immedialtely. The grinding pain was gone I just had surgery pain. I always had shin pain and I am still suffereing with that but my knee is great..My doctor is trying to resolve the shin pain and I am having a bonescan to see.. I do not regret it!! If you need anything futher please feel free to post or contact me. Cari
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 06/07/2001 03:38 AM
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liz10658

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Jean,Thank you for your concern! Things are getting slooowly better for me. It's now 3 months since the TTF and I can straighten my leg when sitting down and get up stairs (I kind of fall down them!). I am doing cycling in the gym but can't manage much else there - mainly doing leg raises and standing on one leg with eyes shut - hopefully to improve my balance which is shockingly bad now (now just scared of big dogs and boisterous children!). How are you doing? Liz
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 06/08/2001 12:21 PM
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Cathy12575

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I have been doing some research on the Tibial Tubercle Transfer since my doctor recommended the surgery a few weeks ago. My history.. I had a sports injury last Sept, PT from Sept - Present, a lateral release in FebI was doing awesome in recovery, until I had a mishap, and since then, my knee has not progressed since. I am nervous about the surgery, the dr. gave me all the horror stories, and a few positive ones. My surgery is scheduled for July 6th. Any words of wisdom or comfort? Is it worth it?
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 06/19/2001 12:06 AM
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Cari1647

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Joshua, Nice to hear you are back at work even if it is light duty and temporary you are out of the house !!!!! The surgery for the screws being removed isn't as bad as the TTT but it still hurts..at least with me it did and I had restrictions after. It is great you are off pain meds. I am working towrds that gaol and I go for a nerve blcok on MOnday 6/25/01. Keep in otuch Cari
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 06/20/2001 09:50 AM
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Lisa12808

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The Fulkerson procedure has been recommended to me for both knees after 15 years of pain and increasing debility. I've read all these postings and am scared to death! I live and work in West Africa where there are NO resources and it sounds like I'd be a year in recovering. I'm turning 50 but am very athletic and it's killing me to give up my activities one by one. Still, after reading all of you, I wonder if I should try the taping and strengthening yet again, until my definitive stateside return in 3 years? Anyone, please advise what you think/feel about this.
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 06/22/2001 02:55 PM
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Cathy12575

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I now have a surgery date of July 6th for my TTT. After doing alot of research I now understand the complexity as well as risks and benefits of the surgery. At the age of 37 I am a bit nervous, since the lateral release most likely would have worked had I not lost my balance and blew out my knee3 1/2 weeks post op. I have one question to ask all those who have gone through this surgery. If you had to do it all over again, would you do it?
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 06/22/2001 06:48 PM
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kim10338

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Hello all I know that it's been a long time but here's my update. I ended up getting a modified fulkerson( a wedge ostomy) bone graph No screw!!!!!!!!!! along with the cartilage transfer for bone on bone wear. Doing well, in PT no weigth bearing yet, off the narc.s, and hopin that the grafts will all take . Take care all! Alaska-Kim
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 06/23/2001 12:38 PM
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Cathy12575

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Kim, It does seem you have been through alot, the bone graph is something I had asked my Doctor about. It seems that in my knee joint were there is supposed to be a vshaped groove, mine is actually flat, he is concerned and wondering if the TTT will work. I had asked about maybe a graph and he said unfortunately for this case it would not work. So am I am getting more and more nervous each day. I am glad to hear you are doing better and on the road to recovery. Cathy in Arizona
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 06/28/2001 07:00 PM
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lobet630

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UPDATE...... My daughter had her surgery on May 7th. She did great. She went back to school 10 days after the operation, she started pt 3 weeks ago. She is now bending her knee 90 degrees. She is still wearing the brace which is driving her crazy. She will see the dr. again on July 9th. I have a question, she has a feeling of numbness on the outside portion of her leg. Does anyone have this same problem? If so will the feeling come back? Also I read alot of you had the screws removed is that common. The dr. made it seem to us that the screws stay in.
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 07/02/2001 10:00 PM
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David13054

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I had my TTT in November, 1974. There is still some numbness on the outside of my knee almost 27 years later. The numbness was pretty bad for about ten years after the surgery. I suspect you develop some collateral nerve regeneration over the years. Please tell your daughter she will get used to it. I would have to say the surgery was a success as the alignment on that knee remains satisfactory. Rehab is so greatly improved over 1974, that I have to believe the recovery time is considerably shorter than before.
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 07/04/2001 04:34 PM
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kim10338

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Hi all and happy fourth Things are well, I think. I'm at full extension and 110 degree flexion and recently started 30-50% weight bearing; yesterday I was able to get fully around on the bike. My swelling is limited these days and I love my icepacks. I have a concern 'though... last night I started to notice a thunking sensation and this morning a locking/riding-over sensation....am I doomed to have bad knees or is it just swelling... any ideas anyone? (I did take myself back to no weight bearing, until my doc's office is open tomorrow )
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 07/05/2001 01:13 PM
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Chupak13095

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I'm 19 and had a Tibial Tubercle Transfer, six weeks ago. I've been doing physcial therapys since three days after my surgery. I'm still having alot of pain. My doctor keeps saying give it time you had a big operation and the bone needs time to heal. I understand this but I still want to know around how long its going to take until my knee really starts to feel better.
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 07/06/2001 02:17 AM
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Cathy12575

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Kim, My guess is it is swelling since you were able to do more on the bike. I had that same type of symptoms after my lateral release.. but only got around the bike all the way 3 times, and then the dr called it quits and set me up for my TTT. Which is going to be in about 12 hours from now. I am major nervous, but reading all of your updates as well as everyone else, I am a little more confident then I was a few weeks ago. I will keep you posted when I get out. Great thing about laptops and DSL. ~Cathy in Tucson
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 07/15/2001 12:47 AM
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kim10338

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Hi everyone! I just wanred to check in with a status report......... Remember I had my realignment and cartilage transplants about 8 1/2 weeks ago. I am up to 50-75% weight-bearing ride the stationary bike eith full rotation and I have 120 degree flexion. I can survive 7-8 hours without pain med.s . Hey, are some of you all having spasm-pain and resistant swelling at the patella tendon ? I can walk with a single crutch for short periods, actually, I am in between needing 1 or 2 crutches. I have a little hip-flexor tendonitis but ice in strategic spots take care of that. It's nice to finally not have a horror-story to share!!!!!!! I know this a long road back to tae-kwondo but post-op livin' is so much better thans the weeks before! Take care everyone- Peace (Alaska)Kim
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 07/15/2001 06:56 PM
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judy10632

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Hi Alaska kim, sounds like you are making steady and rapid progress. Your rehab is much more advanced than mine in '84-85. Old days had to stay braced and on crutches for 8 weeks...THEN start rehab. Nasty adheasions to contend with, too. The guy who wrote in with the 70s TTT probably knows all this. Anyway, glad you are doing well and good luck! Good to read about others progress, too. jj
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 07/19/2001 11:08 AM
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Lynette13382

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I had this surgery back in 1997 and rehab was long. I had pain in the area where the connection was done for over 2 years. As for the noise and grinding in your knee I have had 3 other surgery since to again fix the problem. The have cleaned behind the knee cap and remove a part of the knee cap and I still have pain and the gringing noise. I wish you the best of luck with this. I am hoping for a knee replacement at the age of 37.
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 07/20/2001 12:36 PM
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Lynette13382

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Yes, Must of the feeling on the outside of my leg is gone between the knee and the ankle. My surgery was back in 1997. As for the screws the removed one of them. I think this is based on the person.
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 07/20/2001 04:14 PM
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I am 3 weeks postop from the TTT, flukerson procedure. I had the same surgeries as you. I had the lateral release january 2000 and the chondroplasty,shaving done in july 2000. I was still in severe pain and unable to walk without the brace being locked straight. There is a long recovery from the TTT. The first 2 weeks are the worst for pain. You may be immobilized for 6 weeks and on crutches and then a long road to recovery. I am not walking or bending my knee yet, but I can already feel a difference in my knee. I am no longer in constant pain and the popping is gone. I am glad to have it done. My os says I am healing better from this surgery, better than the arthroscopic. My os says I will be in pt for about 8 months, but I have a really weak quad, so I have to rebuild that. Email me if you have any more questions. Luvforcats@aol.com Good Luck. Heather
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 07/26/2001 05:44 AM
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Cathy12575

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Hello everyone, here I am just about 3 weeks post op from my TTT. The surgery went well, the Dr. found extensive adhesions from the lateral release in feb and had to re do that as well as the TTT. I experienced massive swelling in my foot and ankle post op. Therefore the cast came off 3 days post op and I began working on the CPM machine on day 4, I am at 100 flex and it will be 3 weeks friday. Another cool tool is this ice contraption I was fitted with during surgery. I have minimal swelling in the knee and ankle now, I am able to walk with one crutch for short distances with out the brace, and crutch free with the brace. I saw the dr last week when i was at 75flex he was very pleased. If you need to have the TTT insist on the CPM postop. It is awesome. I currently spend 6-7 hours a day on the CPM and start PT today, concentrating on the pool and quads..I have about 10% control in my quads. As for pain meds off the morphine and demerol is working well 2-3 times a day. Going back to work in a week. If anyone has any questions please email me.
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 08/01/2001 02:08 AM
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kim10338

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Hey everyone, I find myself in a quandry. I started gait training in the pool about 2 weeks ago and my swelling is progressively, slowly worsening and I have had my knee lock a couple of times, give out and made audible grinding. I do not use crutches and have a mild limp. (I also am wearing out the other knee) Should I go whining to my Dr. yet? Is this normal? I still need to take vicodin once or twice most days, usually for a pain in both knees (usually a similar pain to before surgery) Am I a nervous nellie or should I be concerned? The pain feels like it's worsening By the way, fall has come to interior Alaska. The days are shorter and cooler. No the trees have not changed but that should be happening by mid-August! opinions and advise welcome
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 08/02/2001 10:32 PM
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debbie13680

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i am 39 years old and have been suffering from patella dislocations since high school. An orthopedic told me he recommends a tibial tubercle transfer. I am very apprehensive yet at the same time, cannot live like this any longer. Is there anyone who has had this proceedure and what was the outcome??
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 08/08/2001 04:16 AM
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kim10338

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to the 39 y.o. who is tired of her knees, have you had any previous knee surgeries? are you visiting a physical therapist? have you gotten a second opinion? ....just curious about the history... I am 37 and I have had 4 knee surgeries in 2 years my last surgery was done 5/29/01. the realignment was set with a bone graph instead of screws. so far so good. for me putting it off was the worst-I ended up with 2 worn to bone areas in the cartilage. it hurts, but so does needing the surgery and keep in mind, it is major surgery. I have a permanent lump on my tibia and a 4-5 inch scar. rehab and patience with ones-self are musts. you are welcome to write for more specifics
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 08/08/2001 04:16 AM
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kim10338

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to the 39 y.o. who is tired of her knees, have you had any previous knee surgeries? are you visiting a physical therapist? have you gotten a second opinion? ....just curious about the history... I am 37 and I have had 4 knee surgeries in 2 years my last surgery was done 5/29/01. the realignment was set with a bone graph instead of screws. so far so good. for me putting it off was the worst-I ended up with 2 worn to bone areas in the cartilage. it hurts, but so does needing the surgery and keep in mind, it is major surgery. I have a permanent lump on my tibia and a 4-5 inch scar. rehab and patience with ones-self are musts. you are welcome to write for more specifics
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 08/21/2001 11:05 PM
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kim10338

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Whats going on out there? A little glich in the system? Someone, I need a pep talk about rehab. My knee's cartilage isn't healed and I'm back to a crutch! It feels like the adjust in the alignment wasn't enoug of an angle change? I'm 3 months out and the pain has worsened my locks when I put full weight on it. It started out as a squishy feel- like steping on a sponge- now it feels like glass. The swelling is persistant. My "good knee" crackles like vecro on the stairs; it's painful and R.O.M has been limited. P.T. is backsliding because of it, too. I know I'm wiening! Any ideas? Cheerful words?------thanks---alaskaKim
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 08/29/2001 07:23 PM
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I had a Fulkerson procedure done on my knee last week and went back to the doctor yesterday to get the stitches out and bandages changed and i had blood blisters all over the area. did anyone else have this post-op and how long did it take to go away? my doctor said it was definitely unusual to have blood blisters but didn't seem too concerned. (other than that, he said it looked good and i am not in too much pain!)
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 08/29/2001 07:23 PM
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I had a Fulkerson procedure done on my knee last week and went back to the doctor yesterday to get the stitches out and bandages changed and i had blood blisters all over the area. did anyone else have this post-op and how long did it take to go away? my doctor said it was definitely unusual to have blood blisters but didn't seem too concerned. (other than that, he said it looked good and i am not in too much pain!)
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 08/29/2001 07:25 PM
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Kara11743

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I had a Fulkerson procedure done on my knee last week and went back to the doctor yesterday to get the stitches out and bandages changed and i had blood blisters all over the area. did anyone else have this post-op and how long did it take to go away? my doctor said it was definitely unusual to have blood blisters but didn't seem too concerned. (other than that, he said it looked good and i am not in too much pain!)
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 09/05/2001 07:24 PM
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Monica14524

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hey people, i'm only 14 and i'm having the fulkerson procedure done next month on my left knee. then in december i'll have the right one done. in february i was playing soccer and fell and broke my patella, tibia, and dislocated my knee. had a full leg cast for 6 and 1/2 weeks. after that no problems. but in august i was playing basketball and dislocated my right knee. and ever since then bot knees have been popping out of place. now surgery is the only option. well, if anyone has any suggestions about rehab or things not to do or things to do email me! thanks! monica
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 09/17/2001 02:23 PM
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Tamara14718

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I had a tibial tubercle transfer done on my left knee January 2000. While I was in physical therapy for about six months, it was well worth it. My knee is much better and I am glad I had the surgery. Actually, it has come time to do my right knee. While I know the recovery time will be long, the long term benefits are well worth it.
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