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Topic Title: Unsuccessful knee replacement
Created On: 04/07/2008 05:48 PM

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thomaswilsons89

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Consult the best surgeon to do the zimmer recall of your mom. If your mom experienced some sort of problem after the operation then there something wrong about that one. Maybe the operation is not successful one. You can try checking online the best surgeon to do the re-operation of your mom knee replacement
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 04/19/2008 10:38 AM
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orion

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I had that force bending last year with the first one and to top it off there was terrible, agonzing pain inside the joint...The therapist killed me until I said no more...my cousin told me not to let them hurt me...No amount of pain meds helped me through PT...and the therapist kept saying you need more pain meds...and the dr...wouldn't do it...and I was caught in the middle...suffering.

There is no way this should happen. I didn't have this type of treatment this year...there was no forced bending...until after the manipulation and then it wasn't forced...very gentle pressure...which is a whole lot different that what Atilla did the year before...and then tried to make me feel bad because I couldn't suck it up...

We're on our best advocates and there are other therapists and if they don't listen well go to another one...my cousin this year is interviewing them...

Well my knees were right...it's raining today...some times they just announce it...guess I don't have to watch the weather any more.
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 04/13/2008 06:19 PM
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BettyF

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From what I understand, there are plenty of therapists. I'm in a rural area and the discharge planner at my hospital told me she could get a therapist to my house in the blink of an eye. It almost sounds like they're a dime a dozen, so don't feel you have to stick with the one who is torturing you.
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 04/11/2008 12:48 AM
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tryncat

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Sorry to hear about all the problems you mother is having. I too had surgery in Dec. and basically had no progress in ROM for the first six weeks. I finally decided that I needed to take charge of my entire body and began weekly sessions with an acupunturist (great pain relief from her) I also go to a massage therapist once a week, she works on all those muscles and tendons that are causing most of the pain when I try to increase my rom. After 7 weeks stuck at 48 degrees (yes you read that right) I got the manipulation under anasethia, and it was nothing to it! Just fifteen minutes in the pre-op area and it was done! I stayed the rest of the day (nerve block on the leg kept me from having pain) and used the CPM machine. The problem I kept having is my body can obviously produce scar tissue as fast a speeding bullet. My P/T people were finally in agreement that less was more when I had therapy. The more they pushed, the tighter it got. So I began the alternative therapies mentioned above. The acupuncturist also gave me nutrional advice, especially taking Magnesien Citrate every day. It will help your muscles to relax and heal better. I also use castor oil (for massage) arnica oil for massage, and St. Johns Wort oil for massage of the area. The castor oil really softens up the scar tissue. My surgeon at Duke University wholeheartedly supported all of my alternative therapy choices. The main thing I want to get across is that YOU really do have to become your own advocate. Do a little research for the therapys available for you in your city. But mainly do not just give up. I still only have about 90 degrees ROM, but I feel so much better that those first few months. I have also had to deal with a nerve that was damaged in surgery, and that is my biggest obstacle now...but I have faith that it will eventually heal. I take Lyrica for the nerve pain and it is a GODSEND. Nerve pain is not dampened by narcotic pain killers.

It is great that you are there to help your mother get through this. Feel free to write me if you would like clarification on anything. Time is truly the best healer of all..and it is free! Good Luck!
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 04/10/2008 06:14 AM
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gammawbecky

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star, GOOD FOR YOU! Taking on the responsibility yourself is a big step. But, in your case, it had to be nothing but relief. Shame on the pt's who will not listen to you (who knows your body best) and instead follow the doc's order to torture you. I would give your OS a very hard time when you see him on the 15th, and let him know what you are doing. Hopefully, you doing that will take HIM down a notch!!!!

Now, as for being responsible for yourself.....you HAVE to be faithful about doing your exercises every day, twice a day. I know there will be some that really hurt so take a pain pill an hour before you start and YOU push yourself. Gotta do it!! If you really get serious about pushing for progress, your OS will be pleasantly surprised at how well you have done.

Becky
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 04/09/2008 12:51 PM
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starlady

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BettyF--- I have tried talking or more or less begging them to stop and all I was told is that I needed to have this done. If I didn't let them do this they would not be carrying out the doctor's orders. Since then I have stopped outpatient therapy and I am doing it at home. Not sure if the doctor likes it or not (I won't see him until the 15th of this month) but it is my knee and my life.
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 04/09/2008 11:41 AM
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Tessibon

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Oh man do I know what everyone is going thru! It's now been 10 months since my surgery and I still am not happy with it and the depression can be unbelievable. I did get second opinion but was told everything looked fine "will just take more time". Somedays are worse then others, but the entire experience has been a nightmare. I agree that trying to refocus seems to help. I am Pink Lady at local hospital and almost all of us ladies have had our knees replaced. Out of all of us, I am the only one who had a bad experience with surgery.

I just keep reading Evelyn's posts and know that it may take 2 years, but what else can I do but keep on keeping on?

Sending good thoughts out to everyone!
Teresa
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 04/09/2008 09:24 AM
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BettyF

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Starlady, what they did to you is ridiculous! The fact that nobody will listen to you is, unfortunately, not that unusual.

We need to take control of what is happening to us. One of my PTs gave me such a rough cool-down massage that I couldn't walk the rest of the day. The next time she was assigned to me, I told her to be easy - and she listened!

Sometimes we have to speak up to make our health care providers listen to us. They treat us like we are knees, but we are really people!!!!!
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 04/09/2008 04:37 AM
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gammawbecky

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Evelyn, you have identified an issuee we have not discussed here on the Forum.....our mental atitudes about our recovery. Learning to not focus on all of our troubles really can make a huge differance in how well we feel about our surgery(ies). So, good for you!

Now, 674615, your post alarmed me like none other has in quite a while. The thing that makes me mad, and I do mean MAD, is what they are doing to you by forcing your knee to bend by pushing on it. I am being treated by the Mayo Clinic and when you have a tkr there, they give you a booklet with the exercises you are to do. They do not recommend you go to a physical therapist since they have been known to bend you knee by force. In fact, they call these pt's gorillas! So, they tell you, if you really want to be better and heal right, take the responsibility yourself to do your exercises twice a day until you are healed.

If I were being tortured like you are, I'm afraid I would stop going to them and take the responsibility on yourself to do your rehab exercises or find a new pt who knows how to go gently and steady toward your goal of increased ROM. It CAN be done this way....trust me. Don't be "pushed" around any longer!!
Be assured that we are praying for you from this point forward. Let's watch for success and you will find it!

Becky
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 04/08/2008 01:10 PM
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Heaven216

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Hi 674615,
I had my bkr almost 2years ago coming up in August and I CAN NOT tell you the agony of pain I went through. Even after my manipulation. And still today, I still have some pain, swellen and tightness, but it is diminishing. My knees looked like balloons as to how swollen they were, they looked deformed out of shape and I often wondered if they were going to stay that way. But after a while, I got tired of trying to have the medication take over totally on my recovery and I started taking it a day at a time, religiously icing, massaging and excerising my legs. There were days that were harder than others, and for those I took a break. I refused to let my legs take over my life and the only thing I thought of was "the pain" day in and day out..... especially that I felt it.

So, I decided to take the pain as if it was any other kind of pain, and not from a major surgery and try to do my daily activities. I noticed that if I found something that had my entire focus and kept busy, it felt like the pain was getting less.

When I stopped focusing on my knees and took a day at a time with the pain, praying to make it 1 more day, I noticed my knees were taking shape....

I know it is very painful and hard to get back on your legs after a major surgery like this, but we also have to give our body the time...... My Mom use to say, when she saw me in so much pain, that my knee replacement was also unsuccesful... and I remember tellilng her that it was the "surgery" that went fine, everything was in its place..... it was my healing process that was taking time. My knees just didn't want to heal that fast.....lol

So hang in there, it took me 2 years to say... I do feel better.... and will get better....

Evelyn
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 04/08/2008 08:45 AM
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starlady

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I am 47 years old and are having the same problems. Had my RTKR (not the gender knee) and have had so many complications. The surgery was 1/2/08 and had a manipulation on 3/27/08 because my ROM was dimininshing. The PT that they wanted me to do for the next 2 weeks was pure torture. My leg was forced down for 30 seconds wtih it done in 3 sets--then forced backwards for the same amount of time. Even with doubling up on my pain meds, I still was in severe pain to the point of vomiting and then I was unable to walk without severe pain. When I tried to tell the PT and the OS what was happening--they more or less said to "deal with it"! At this time I don't think that I will be able to return to my job as an overnight stocker. Right now I am at wits end and extremely depressed. Does anyone have an idea what I can do to make things normal?
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 04/08/2008 08:38 AM
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RamblinRose

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Hello, my heart goes out to your mother. Since infection and device failure appears to be ruled out, and I am by no means a doctor or an expert, but I've seen posts on here about RSD (Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy?). Many of the posters refer to the same swelling and pain to which you refer. Check out their posts to see if any of their syptoms sound similar to your mother's and also more information can be found on the internet. This is not a diagnosis; but something maybe to be looked into if all other problems have been ruled out. If RDS is the case, It may be treated sometimes successfully by nerve block injections is what I have read. I am no expert and only just had BTKR recently; but I read these posts and your mother's symptoms sounded similar. I hope your mother gets some answers and some relief.
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 04/07/2008 05:48 PM
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674615

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My mother had a knee replacement using the Zimmer female knee in Feb 2007. She has significan swelling all down to her ankle and pain. Her range of motion is good. However, she is disabled b/c of the pain and swelling. Her surgeon is baffled. She has had xrays, blood and fluid samples taken for tests, bone scan, mri and cat scan. Their is no apparent reason for this swelling and pain. She has gone to another surgeon for a 2nd opinion and he states the same. Both say it does not appear that the replacement is loose. The 2nd opinion doctor said there was a slight misalignment hence the cat scan on the knee hip and ankle. I am at my wits end as I have no idea what to do. My mother was very active. A young, fit 79 year old that enjoys swimming and gardening to name of few hobbies. She can no longer swim as she experiences burning feeling when getting out of the water and gardening is limited. She obviously had a knee replacement to be able to do these things and eliviate the pain. It has not happened. PLEASE any suggestions? Have you heard of this happening before and with what results.
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