06/12/2008 05:34 PM
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tennk
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I actually tried this, and it didn't work for me. Lots of money down the drain, that was over 3 years ago and I am still in pain. I did come across a new treatment. Cytotron, it is India, but more are opening. Good luck getting one in US, I really think that government cares more that big business gets their money at everybody elses cost. I am trying to get the word out on this, you would have to go to the website and check it out, Cytotron.com, Cytotrontreatment.com, and if you go to youtube and search cytotron there is a message on there.
I've been contacting many news sites by email to see if they will investigate this machine. Would appreciate it if others could to, or if you have better idea on how to get medical/fda/government attention to this. I don't think people understand how much pain arthritisjoint injuries can be til you have it. Cancer gets much more attention. I even had a relative, who by the why is a cancer survivor, I swear when she asks how I am she asks how my little problem is. She is not in pain everyday.
Good luck to all, Dawn
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05/14/2007 01:04 PM
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Gnarus
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According to Dr. Juilo Fernandes, an orthopaedic research specialist down in Montreal, this procedure is worthless. He's the last orthopaedic research specialist that went into my knee, he had this to say about this procedure:
After asking about HGH and prolotherapy treatments and if it could help me directly or even indirectly like if it could help with the pain, he said that the chondrocyte just didn’t have the receptors for the HGH. That HGH could grow anything but cartilage. I then asked if it could help with the pain or if it could help regenerate pseudo cartilage, he said he didn’t know. I then offered him to take a look at some of the references I had found, but he refused. He also added that HGH sides effect were too much of a risk. I imagine taking anti-inflammatory pills everyday for the rest of my life is better.
On the other hand, he was so closed minded, just like all the OSs I saw in the past for that matter. After asking about 3 different treatments with more than enough references and real life treated cases at hand, he sadly said “I’m not familiar with those” or “I don’t believe in that so I won’t help you”. When asked why not, he simply replied that he wouldn’t help, again and again.
So all in all, I’m looking at nothing else than scrapping and drilling every two years or so until I turn 40ish, I’m 30 with 7 AS so far. I don’t want to imagine what it will be like when I turn 50, ouch! ;o)
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02/03/2006 12:50 AM
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RobertLloyd
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I still contend that if the top orthopedic surgeons in this country like Stone & Steadmam do not advocate HGH, it is not the scientific method of choice and buyer beware!
Let me tell you my story about Dr. Steadman. I went to Dr. Steadman to remove plica filaments. Dr. Steadman told me there was an 80% chance I would be able to do what I always wanted--run a marathon. Post surgery I can barely walk. I asked for a copy of my surgery video--it was conveniently lost. They screwed me up pretty bad and didn't have the decency to admit it. I have all sorts of scar tissue in my knee. It sounds like captain crunch on steroids with every step. So you want to call Steadman a top orthopedic surgeon? I have not had a worse experience with a medical clinic. When I went for a follow up visit they were mad at me for having so many problems--PROBLEMS THEY CAUSED! Steadman MAY be a good choice for athletes, but if you're not an athlete look out. The Steadman-Hawkins clinic is a surgical mill. They have surgeries every 30 minutes like an amusement park ride. If you are not an athlete you likely won't get the care you need. I told them I was willing to pay extra to get better service, but they didn't seem to care. As such I am extremely hesitant to trust anything Dr. Steadman has to say about anything. I'm having a hard time trusting any doctors at all after my experience in Vail. quote:
This isn't o say it is harmful, or does not work in some cases - placebo is a very powerful thing.
Before I try anything again I will have before and after MRI's taken to prove what works and what doesn't. The bottom line is I have Condromalacia patella. I have arthritic cartilage on the back of the knee cap. The only procedures I can find are microfracture and IAGH to help me. Steadman makes a living doing microfractures. Dunn makes a living doing IAGH. It doesn't surprise me they don't respect each other's techniques. Are there any other procedures for helping arthritic cartilage in the knee? I'm about 30 years old and feel like I have 50 year old knees--please help me.
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12/12/2005 05:47 PM
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JWH
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Arthritis destroyed the cartilage in one ankle, and my options was replacement surgery or else to try an experimental treatment. I am too young for ankle replacement (I'm 34 years), because I am not interested in replacing the replacement over the course of my life. Therefore, I tried the experimental HgH treatment. I am a current patient of Dr. Dunn and a former patient of Dr. Farschian.
I tried Dr. Farschian's Hgh treatment first, back in 2004. His injections include Hgh with dextrose and prolotherapy (i.e. oxygen injections). Prolotherapy is extremely painful, plus it felt harmful to my joint. And, it wasn't working. I quit Farschian, and discovered Dr. Dunn. Dr. Dunn injects only Hgh, and had me on crutches. The reason for crutches is to not squash the stem cells while the juvenile cartilage cells are forming. Crutches made a big difference for my success. I am now walking again, with cartilage, and have such gratitude for Dr. Dunn! The new cartilage is holding strong as I now put weight on my joint. The pain which continues is caused by active rheumatoid arthritis, not from being bone-on-bone.
I have had arthritis since I was a baby (Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis). I have seen more doctors than I care to remember. In terms of bedside manner, personal investment and character, I have seen the best and the worst of doctors. I hereby declare that Dr. Dunn is the 2nd best doctor I have ever known and Dr. Farschian the absolute worst. I realize that Dr. Dunn is coming off as an Ego-maniac on this discussion board, and this surprises me. Dr. Dunn is a genuine doctor. He truly cares that his patients live pain-free. He is gentle, kind and compassionate. He really doesn’t have an ego. He has a great idea (HgH injections), he is very smart about it and has invested a great deal of his heart and soul into developing a treatment that works well for people.
On the other hand, Dr. Farschian is a creep, a chauvinist and cattle-herds patients in and out of his office. I found him impassionate, manipulative, dishonest and inconsiderate. For example, he was unwilling to answer my questions and told me I should “trust the doctor”! He clearly makes bank off of his practice and all of the high-tech gadgetry in his office shows it. But, high-tech does not mean that the man cares about his patients. I don’t want to go into details, but I had an awful experience with Dr. Farschian. I wouldn't wish him upon my worst enemy.
Let me give a clear example that distinguishes the 2 doctors. Prior to starting and throughout treatment, Dr. Dunn will have you do labs, get a mammogram, make sure you are on the right medicines, etc. He is thorough and is not is a rush to get you into his office. In comparison, Dr. Farschian doesn’t screen for anything, including whether or not you have cancer! (Please, don’t start Hgh injections if you have cancer).
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05/17/2005 11:59 PM
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valerieacarr
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dea Dr Dunn, Sorry - I have not been on this posting in many months,. still regaining strength from 8 weeks on crutches following microfracture. Yes, you are correct - I am no expert on cancer & HGH - but my exhusband is. he is a very topnotch immunologist who specialises in cancer research at University Hospital/CU in Denver. He hs even formed his own company. He has published his work in Nature, among other prestigious publications, several times. He is working on a cancer vaccine and has 10 mill in private funding, so someone believes he is good! He has a daughter who is maybe 30% below normal growth rate at age 12 - I suggested once he try HGH several years ago, and he told me that research had shown HGH caused cancer in lab rats, therefore he would not consider giving his daughter HGH, no matter how stunted she remained. End of story. This is why I would never take HGH. Please, Anonymous, use a name, for the sake of Dr Dunn. KiwiValerie.
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05/17/2005 11:47 PM
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valerieacarr
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Hello, Anonymous, I have not been active on this site for some time, as I have been waiting the requisite 6 months for my microfracture to produce a good result -which it seemingly has, whithout having taxed it too much, i.e. extreme skiing. I will know more i 12 months and will eport back. But I take issue that this site was set up by orthopods. I have yet to hear from any "medical establishment person", from whom I would like to have heard, if only a retort to Dr Dunn. For a long time I was Dr Dunn's or HGH's only antagonist.As a Boulder, CO non-medical person with knee osteo, I take everything, from the Medical Establishment to Dr Dunn, with a grain of salt. However, I believe in scientific studies conducted under strict protocols. I am still hopeful that some day soon, SaluCartilage, or Collagen Meniscus Implants will become available, and prove to be helpful, for us sufferers. i am plased you are challenging, but I am surpiresed you think this site is set up by professionals. If so, let them speak out. KiwiValerie.
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Dr. Cynthia LaBella:
Preventing Knee Injuries in Young Athletes
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